Kerala recovered from decline to record revenue.
- Arpp ip congo t — answer hedged.
- Ai robotics implementation — answer hedged.
- Hyderabad cluster capex — answer hedged.
ARPOB and IP volume trends — key initiatives to continue momentum, and headroom on CONGO-T contribution?
Sunil: Aster Q4 IP growth ~7%, includes -8% in K&M from de-empanelment of low-yield Aster Aadhar schemes; ex-that, K&M growth turns positive 3%. Growth drivers: strengthening doctor engagement programs, OP-to-OP and OP-to-IP conversion, call center management. Doctor acquisition primary: added 36+ new doctors in last 6 months alone. Alisha: CONGO mix at 55% blended — can take it to 60% and then 65%.
AI implementations within Aster or QCIL?
AI is more academic than ground-reality. We've started on four tiers: patient safety, operating world, financials, clinical. Early successes: AI-enabled CDSS, AI call center support, AI-pre-populating EMR for doctor time savings. Asia's first AI-enabled radiotherapy platform — first Elekta EOP platform sold in India/Asia. CRM/call center AI improving conversion ratios — IP volumes 10% growth, OP double-digit. Mindful that newer AI tech is huge cost with unclear ROI.
Hyderabad cluster — INR 500 cr investment status, and CAPEX guidance for QCIL next two years?
Don't know where INR 500 cr number is from. We're turning every asset around — Banjara enhancing oncology (radiation, OPD-to-IPD building); Hitech growing 65-70% YoY; Nampally being spruced up. INR 1,700 odd beds will be added, INR 2,000 cr expense. 1,500 of 1,700 beds are brownfield (revenue accretive), only 200 greenfield. CAPEX run-rate: 5% of annual revenue — 3% refresh, 2% incremental. KIMS-Care procurement synergy boosting effective spend power.
QCIL EBITDA margin we report ~20-21% vs annual report 17-18% — reconciliation?
There is one-time impact broadly around the merger and consultants work to enhance productivity. All one-time. Can provide breakup if desired later.
Where does the industry stand on common-insurance empanelment with private insurers (uniform pricing) — is Aster or QCIL onboarded, and is this a threat to private hospital chains?
The empanelment piece has been in play for a while; QCIL hasn't signed up and large-tier hospitals haven't either. Two industry concerns: data privacy across hospitals and transparency. It cannot be done unilaterally; it's only feasible if private hospitals accept. There are benefits (could save empanelment costs if done right) but in current avatar, my sense is no, it's not coercive.
Kerala MVT despite Ramadan — give colour; have UAE/Middle East patient flows resumed?
Kerala has done well — MVT 41% YoY growth. Attraction from Middle East, Maldives, African countries. Recently from Oman and UAE less patient inflow, but we kept the boat steady via Maldives and focus on African countries — steady flow happening. Trying to mitigate losses through expanded coverage. Maldives contributing more now.
Kerala nurses' strike status — total Kerala nurses count and INR 20,000 minimum-wage exposure?
Strike started mid-March 2026. UNA demanded the Government release the gazette notification (GO) for basic pay (5-year cycle). Aster has ~4,300 nurses in Kerala, paid basic per government notification. Interim GO issued; UNA continued strike demanding INR 40,000 basic per nurse. Private hospital association negotiated on April 13; the court directed private hospitals to mediate; settlement reached. The strike is called off.
Quantify final wage settlement impact?
Even though demand was INR 40,000 basic, we concluded with a small increase. Total impact in Kerala will be INR 5-6 crores. Increments offered: Calicut INR 3,500 per nurse, Kochi INR 4,000, remaining places INR 3,250. All nurses are back.
What's helping you attract clinical talent in competitive markets like Bangalore, and what's the retention strategy?
Ramesh: Star clinicians joined because Aster has a bigger vision and Bangalore expansion to 5 units; high-end procedures (robotic transplants), CONGO leadership in neurosciences and oncology growing. Brand and clinical excellence pathway attractive. Varun (QCIL): Four-five elements — relationships and transparency; ClinIQ model with clinical independence; technology investments; commercial competitiveness. Our ability to connect, forge alliances is better than anybody else.
QCIL mature units grew 14% (vs focused units) — what drives forward growth: case mix or expansion?
Mature growing 13.5-14% top, 20%+ bottom, 30%+ EBITDA. Still enhancing complexity; at ~59% CONGO-T mix, will grow that, especially oncology which is under-leveraged. Significant growth in oncology volume in network over next two years. Emerging/focused at sub-20% EBITDA still have long runway — bringing 'golden few' clinical talent; ethics/integrity brand pull; Hyderabad EBITDA grew 66% YoY.
Synergies — INR 85cr in QCIL pre-merger — is similar happening in Aster, and what's incremental post-merger?
The INR 85 cr synergies are pre-Aster QCIL merger — within QCIL we are merging three companies (Care, Evercare Bangladesh, KIMS Trivandrum/Tamil Nadu). Synergies from procurement, food insourcing, AMC etc. Aster QCIL synergies haven't started — they will start to flow in post-merger.
Aster Greenfield expansion — cost profile and margin impact over next couple of years?
Last year Kasargod started October; FY26 margin impact only 60 bps — closed 20.4 including Kasargod, ~21% ex-Kasargod (Kasargod loss INR 19-20 cr). FY27: two brownfield expansions already commenced — Whitefield Block D and Ongole 75 beds in April; brownfield is EBITDA accretive (Kannur example: added 100 beds, margin expanded 400 bps from 18.5 to 22.5). Trivandrum commencing H2; underpenetrated, expect to do well. Even with new-unit losses, EBITDA margin should only grow. With merger, synergies coming from Q1FY27 — no margin dilution expected, year-on-year margin growth.
Karnataka 3% IP volume vs group 8-9% — why low? Was Aster Aadhar a negative-margin scheme? Chemo/dialysis share within Onco/Nephro? AI/robotics implementations?
K&M 3% IP from de-empanelment of low-yield government schemes — ARPOB <50% of cash market. Aadhar at 75% occupancy, exited to optimize for cash/TPA. Whitefield ramped to INR 44 cr/month in <2 years (CMI took 6+ years); now mature so growth tapered to 10-11%. Competition intensity in north Bangalore, one general surgery team left Q3 came back Q4 — strong clinical ecosystem. 3% is one-off, not structural; doctors now in stability — expect bounce in 1-2 quarters. Onco: medical oncology 50-60%, surgical 30-35%, radiation 10-15%; within medical 60% chemo / 40% immunotherapy & targeted.
K&M capacity utilization — is there a bottleneck elsewhere apart from Aadhar (Kolhapur)?
K&M has capacity: Aster CMI 60%+ occupancy, Aster RV 69%, Aster Whitefield 55%+ (post 150-bed addition). Great runway to add beds. Sarjapur in next year, Yeswanthpur in three more years — very good runway.
Top-line ~16-17% and ~150bps margin expansion in FY26 — can this growth+margin trajectory continue next two years?
Yes I do — gone to solid start, margin expansion as well as top-line growth will continue. Strategy is firing. Strategies aren't made for a year — what we started is the right thing. Team is rock solid, very committed.
Whitefield occupancy YoY and profitability — and EBITDA addition potential next 2 years?
Whitefield occupancy 60% (Block A/B/C); Block D adds 159 beds; empty 50 beds being integrated. Aster CMI 56% occupancy, 100-bed expansion in 1+ year. Aster RV 66% occupancy, no oncology — can go 75-80%. Whitefield current margin in high teens; with Block D ramp expect to reach mid-20s.
A&T cluster — what steps drove the outperformance and what's sustainable revenue/margin?
Three main hospitals: Ramesh Hospitals (largest), Aster Prime Hyderabad (150 beds), Narayanadri Tirupati (150 beds). Narayanadri (3 yrs old) 46% revenue / 75%+ EBITDA growth — underserved market, good clinicians, will convert wards to single rooms for ARPOB lift. Ramesh stagnant 2 years, lost doctors Q1-Q2, added clinicians in Nephro/Pediatrics/Ortho/Cardio (their stronghold) — post-Dec strong momentum (4 months + April trends similar), 32% revenue growth. EBITDA growing on low base + operating leverage (not hiring more manpower).
QCIL expansion plan by cluster, and per-bed capex for brownfield vs greenfield?
Per bed ~INR 1-1.1 crores blended. Bhubaneswar and Raipur this year (capability + bed expansion); FY28 Banjara/Hyderabad significant capacity + capability; Nagercoil expansion ~100 beds (asset at 28-29% EBITDA); Nampally 28 beds. Beyond — Malakpet, Chattogram, Vizag. Of 1,500 brownfield + 200 greenfield total: greenfield Indore only. Brownfield per-bed INR 0.8-1.1 crores; greenfield INR 1.5-1.6 crores.
Minority share as % of total profit, going-forward assumption?
Aster ~8% (two units: Aster MIMS 20% minority, Ramesh Hospital 30%). QCIL ~15-20%. Post-merger blended ~10-15%.
ROCE calculation reconciliation — my number differs from your presentation?
Aster: we exclude revaluation reserve (land, book entry from IGAP→IndAS transition) and CWIP (asset not deployed). QCIL: we exclude intangibles (Bangladesh acquisitions, KIMS brand/goodwill). Happy to share calculation offline.