Highest-ever EBITDA (8.0%) & PAT since IPO.
- Bpc steady state margins — answer hedged.
- Bpc steady state margin — question deflected.
- Fashion fy26 ebitda breakeven — question deflected.
On BPC business, how should one think about steady-state margins given they are hovering in the 8.7% to 8.9% range? Also, how is the traction for the fast delivery (Nykaa Now) and is there intent of expanding to other cities? On fashion, what could be the steady-state growth? Any changes to EBITDA breakeven guidance?
The beauty vertical consists of 3 different businesses with very different margin profiles - multi-brand retail, own brands, and eB2B. Each business individually has shown improvement in margins. Multi-brand retail is in a very healthy place and focused on reinvesting in customer acquisition. Margin outlook is also an outcome of how mix evolves. Nykaa Now is live in multiple cities, majorly metros, ensuring delivery within 60 minutes. Plan to expand to several other metros. Key differentiator - largest assortment of beauty products available through rapid delivery network.
When we talk about steady-state margins, any number in mind?
It's difficult to guide towards that. The way to improve margins would be higher own brand mix, higher service income including marketing and better quality brands that give us margins. We see that even in eB2B business and also in Beauty business and in fashion business. There are just so many drivers that it's hard to distinct. Nykaa likes to work on all of that to try to improve margins over a period of time.
You guys are reiterating your guidance of breakeven of fashion by FY '26, right?
We'll share more during the Investor Day, which is just in a few weeks from now.
Anything on number overlap - how many customers are projecting in both channels?
I don't know if we've disclosed it in the past, so I don't want to say anything right now. But what I can say is that it's a very, very significant percentage of our customer base. It's a meaningful percentage of our customer base is transacting across both online and offline.
On the working capital bit, is there any impact of mix improvement given the mix has changed from fashion to beauty in the last 1 year? Any guidance on where this number can go to over the next couple of years?
The change which has come about is the increased salience in the superstore business which is within the beauty vertical. But overall, it's far greater and tighter control which has resulted in reduction in working capital. We are currently very close to a month in terms of net working capital. From here, yes, there would be more improvement opportunities, but unlikely to be as steep as what you have seen in the current year.
On fashion - for last few quarters we've gone on this journey to reduce losses in a weaker growth environment. Does the recovery you point to require putting investments back versus margins? On gross margin in beauty - is the improvement more a mix thing or each segment seeing diverse gross margin performance?
On fashion - growth momentum coming back. Industry growth still slower or has not recovered, still in the 10%, 11% range. Unit economics for fashion significantly improved over last year. With higher scale we are looking at more controlled burn. We'll continue to move faster towards profitability with better growth coming on board. Marketing expenses also will get better because more recently acquired customers tend to get activated with better marketing efficiencies. Healthy unit economics will mean we will continue to get better on EBITDA successively.
Competition is no longer an issue, right? The price-based competition is no longer a concern?
I think that comes and goes. It's very difficult to understand the thinking sometimes. We really think long term about building this category the right way - making decisions for the right reasons, buying for the right reasons, which is not necessarily price. There are some players in market who are more short-term thinking. So it's difficult to give you a definitive answer whether this is behind us. It seems to be for now, but you never know. It can come up at any time.
On eB2B business - what is really driving the growth and profitability? Is it expansion into new markets, repeat behavior, or portfolio expansion? What is the mix of own brands in distribution?
All of that answer is yes, but it's now towards the end of the questions, it's going to be very hard. If you can just wait for the annual meeting that we're going to have very soon, you will get answers to it all. The way we are growing is all - it's not just expansion of geography, true Nykaa Style, it's trying to improve margins. It's trying to get more brands. It's trying to get high-quality retailers, repeat customer behavior, all of that. So I think it's better we discuss it in the Annual Day.
Any sense Falguni, if I could get on how we should think about the F '26 outlook for eB2B business?
We have to invest for a few more years before it gets to profitability. We've given that long-term guidance last year, and we'll update that again this year. We also do a lot of work on longer-term guidance before the annual meeting, so it's better answered then rather than off the cuff. You're building a solid business for the long term. It's still solid capability that we are building. One is path to profitability and other is margin improvement eventually in this business.
On fashion business - do you think this is a business which requires a stronger presence in offline given the category might require more touch and feel? Are there any new categories like wellness which could be relevant?
Most physical retail multi-brand stores have at best 60 to 80 brands while what sells online is so many more brands. The role physical retail has in a large geographically diverse market like India is meaningful but limited and both will have to go hand in hand. Nykaa is going for representation in top 100 cities of destination stores. On wellness - it remains an interesting category. Globally and in India, increasingly wellness through products and sometimes services will be embraced. We already retail wellness on our platform, growing rapidly.
On Beauty business - considering we have decently broad base of offline distribution, any color on customer overlap or consumer behavior between online and offline?
In India, there is nothing like an exclusively online consumer nor an exclusively offline consumer. Consumers have different use cases - online for replenishment and convenience, in-store for education and learning. We see a lot of overlap between consumers who shop in our stores then come purchase online and vice versa. Consumers shopping online we also actively send them into stores where they can premiumize themselves. Majority of consumer is very channel agnostic.
On the operating cash flow side, we see a very sharp improvement Y-o-Y. Can you qualify what has gone through? What have you really done to ensure these improvements happen?
It's a greater focus, greater cross-functional alignment, which has actually resulted in we being able to manage working capital far more tightly than we have done in the past. There is far greater focus, which has come through and which is why you're seeing the benefit flowing through across inventory, across receivables, across payables. It's actually tightly controlling that. That's really what's happened.
What explains the improved GMV growth momentum in fashion segment? Even the order growth has been ahead of AUTC growth for the quarter.
The proposition has not fundamentally changed, but it's a function of onboarding the right set of brands and just continuing to do deeper engagement with brands. When we add strong brands like Victoria's Secret, Rare Rabbit, Hopscotch - business tends to be incremental in nature. It doesn't cannibalize existing business. We have not slowed down on new customer acquisition. So it's a combination of continuing to acquire new customers and just continuing to build better assortment.
When I look at your segment-wise performance, the asset for the fashion segment has decreased to INR320 crores. Any particular reason?
Fashion business is not very asset heavy because we are focusing on building more and more brands through marketplace than inventory-led. And the inventory-led business is mostly restricted to fashion own labels.
When we are asking about margin improvement in Beauty business, you are kind of indicating we are at a high margin already. But given the kind of value add you give for the brand, do you not think you are leaving some margin on the table?
It's like an age-old debate between retailers and brands. There's always scope for more. Each of the 3 businesses that sit within beauty vertical have scope to improve margin profile. For multi-brand retailing - scope to continue to improve marketing income by creating more advertising opportunities, building a campaign manager allowing brands to bid for ad inventory in real-time, enabling smaller brands to advertise via personalization. Own brands continuing to outperform can be margin accretive. Operating leverage benefits of scale - employee and G&A won't scale at the same level. Own brands and eB2B still not where we want to be in terms of margin.
Fourth quarter versus the last few quarters, there has been a change in profitability profile. Is the fourth quarter having some one-off, which is why there was a loss there?
The private label portfolio grew slower than the platform business overall. The largest part of the business is still the fashion platform which structurally as well as sequentially has been very healthy on the gross margin front. But when we include everything else, including the private label portfolio where we have chosen to go much slower on certain third-party channels consciously in this year, it may seem like the margin growth is not as much as you would expect on a sequential basis.
On the Beauty side - we've seen gross margins continue to perform well. How is each individual segment behaving, and whether the competitive concerns on the private/own brand side is now behind us?
Each business continues to improve gross margin with different degrees possible given stage of business. eB2B has meaningful scope to improve. Own brands has healthier gross margin like any consumer brands business but still room for improvement. Multi-brand beauty retail has opportunity through ad income and mix - if premiumization and sale of more prestige and luxury goods continues to play out, that should be net positive.
On Nykaa Now - are we really using any of our physical store network for the fulfillment?
Nykaa Now is being done in a more traditional rapid delivery quick commerce model leveraging dark store concept or micro fulfillment centers. But we have the capability built during pandemic to service hyperlocal delivery - using our physical stores to service e-commerce orders in that relevant pin code. That capability exists, used predominantly for luxury products. Stores are destination stores in relatively expensive real estate. Technology built and we use it to dispatch certain products and assortment to consumers from stores.