Devanshu Bansal · Emkay Global
Secondly, I wanted to understand on margins. There is indication that there is some 50 bps of one-off in this segment for Q1 and there was some one-off in Q4 as well. Firstly, I wanted to understand what is the nature of this and whether both these one-offs are expected to reverse in the rest of FY'26? Subsequent margin question is also that if we exclude this one-off, there has been still a pretty robust margin performance as the mix was weaker due to lower studded and higher coin sales. So, do you see scope of beating the upper end of your margin band which is 11%-11.5% in FY '26?
Hi, Ashok here. So, in this quarter, we had a benefit of INR 100 crores one time distributed equally between jewellery and watches. In watches division, we have some valuation of inventory which we do annually, our runs and that is what has led into this benefit. Every year a small benefit do come because of the input costs and wages going up, but this time it was pretty marked and that adjust watches division reported margin by almost 4%. Like 22 point some percent we have reported, you should think that 4% will be this one time and actually this one time will reverse as we move forward in quarter 2, quarter 3 when that inventory which has got re-valued get liquidated, it will hit the COGS and to that extent watch division has to kind of absorb this thing. As far as jewellery is concerned, we have about which accounts for about 50 basis points. This is also one time outstanding hedging because of so much volatility in the market. There is MTM again sitting in our favour and which will also as these forwards and futures gets squared up in quarter 2 and quarter 3, this will also reverse itself. So these are the two major reasons in this quarter which has benefited overall company as well as jewellery and watches in particular. As far as going forward is concerned, apart from these reversals which would happen in quarter 2 and quarter 3 and several actions which are being taken by jewellery division in particular to tackle whatever pressure they have, but we will not say that we will operate at upper end or lower end. 11 to 11.5 still remains our guidance on which we are trying to work on.
Avi Mehta · Macquarie Capital
Is this a case where the segment that we cater to is where we are gaining market share or is it more a geography mix? That's the clarification that I wanted to understand more than just a follow up on that?
It's a geography mix I would say and in a way, geography also leads to segment because certain geographies are more towards gold, some geographies are more towards studded and some to higher value, some to lower value, but to answer your question simply geography led is what I would say.
Avi Mehta · Macquarie Capital
From a margin point of view now you have a range of 11 to 11.5. Wanted to understand is margin at all a lever to change or which we need to evaluate to remain competitive or this is not the right approach when you look at the segment. So that is the last part?
So we are not constraining growth by way of trying to somehow keep a high margin. We have been very competitive and aggressive when it comes to gold rates. We have been very responsive in those markets. In fact, we have also consolidated a lot of that. We have also been quite competitive when it comes to introducing products, especially in the gold segment at lower making charge and lower complexity. And we are seeing that product mix also play out in a particular way. We have introduced gold intensive studded products also. So many of these we have done keeping in mind both consumer and competitive response. We have not held back on retail, let us say expansion or renovations and increasing the footprint of our existing stores. And we have continued to invest in marketing in as much as it is needed. So none of our growth engines we are holding back on. And, therefore, I do not know whether you are referring to whether we can do more of those and compromise some of the margin. We have not really gone out there and cut our investments in growth to kind of fund margin.
Videesha Sheth · Ambit Capital
With 9 carat also coming under the purview of hallmarking, how are you thinking of exposing multiple formats, multiple brands of yours, be it CaratLane or Mia or maybe even have a separate brand. I understand that you have already launched certain assortment under 9 carat and CaratLane and Mia last quarter, but just wanted to know where do you stand or where will this karatage we focused on?
So Mia is still early days. CaratLane has done a lot more work on 9 carat and I will let Saumen answer that. (Saumen Bhaumik:) We launched 9 carat diamond jewellery in the last Valentine. And it was kind of a response to the gold rate was spiralling upwards. And it was certainly putting a lot of pressure on the margin structure of the company. And we were also vacating price points and Carat Lane were predominantly playing between INR 30,000 to INR 40,000 rupees. And a lot of products which were at top 30 moved away from that price band. So we needed to fix. So 9 carat, 14 carat are ways to sort of make sure there is enough and more range for the customer to look for. And since then it was originally only online play. And thereafter we started placing it in limited number of stores. So far we are seeing a very steady traction. The hesitation that we had and we launched it even before 9 carat was hallmarked. Meaning announcement of hallmarked happened immediately. But we have been seeing a steady growth of this. There are people who are buying the jewellery, 9 carat notwithstanding, diamond jewellery and pretty comfortable with this. And we didn't see any resistance at all whether it's online or offline. So our view is that with the gold price increasing, all those earlier resistance of customers towards karatage. I think especially in the lower segment which is not more on the adornment space, less on the let's say investment space, I think it's going to be the way. And we are banking on it and therefore we are expanding it. In fact, we just decided that we'll be taking it to all 300 stores very soon.
Videesha Sheth · Ambit Capital
Okay. I understand it's early days, but do you believe it warrants a separate format or would you be playing this specifically through CaratLane and Mia only?
For CaratLane I will speak here is that customer who are looking for price points, more often than not is in the gifting segment. So they come with a budget. And within that, I suppose if we have an offering, it plays out well. And 9 carat is basically addressing this issue of gifting which we are not able to otherwise cater to after gold price went up so much. 14 carat was the initial step and now 9 carat is the next step. So I suppose it is a segment we were actually -- that is the segment CaratLane lost some customers below 30,000. It is in a way our effort to get back those customers in the cash flow. (Ajoy Chawla:) But I don't think it needs a separate brand. Even in Mia, as we roll it out, it is going to be under the same brand. In fact, Mia also sells a little bit of silver. It is under Mia brand only. So I don't think it will require a separate brand or format, but it may have a greater play online is my sense because of the price point it can cater to.
Videesha Sheth · Ambit Capital
And this buyer growth which you are referring to in studded being better versus plain gold, that would be inclusive of CaratLane or excluding CaratLane?
Excluding CaratLane. CaratLane is separately tracked.
Tejas Shah · Avendus Spark
For a change, I will start with watches and then eyewear. So watches delivered exceptional quarter. So what led to this growth and how should we think about sustainability of the same?
So it was many things that we had been working on for many quarters kind of came to a pinnacle of results. Premiumization as well as in the volume side, a lot of work on mass customization, especially for brands like Sonata and Fastrack. So we've seen exceptional growth across channels, both retail as well as multi-brand and e-commerce. I think it was that was building up and this quarter was probably where it all kind of came together very well. In terms of continuing, of course, this was an exceptional quarter. We are hoping quarter 2 will also be good and festive we will wait and watch. But things are looking good and quite solid from a building block point of view.
Tejas Shah · Avendus Spark
And on the eyewear, despite store closures, we are delivering decent growth. So what's the strategy there going forward?
Yes. Hi. This is Raghavan here. Yes. We have been reimagining the eyewear business in terms of what is the CVP (consumer value proposition). So for us the positioning of Titan Eye Plus is a multi-price and a multi-brand so that we are able to cater to a larger set of an audience. So as far as store closures are concerned, stores which we believe are not performing well and stores which are not relevant are the ones which are being closed. So this is something which we will continue to do. Parallelly, we're also opening stores. So it is the stronger consumer value proposition and a greater shopper experience is what we believe is leading to a greater engagement with the brand.
Tejas Shah · Avendus Spark
Given the U.S. tariff environment, are you seeing any impact on demand pricing or sourcing strategies for the international jewellery business, especially in the U.S.?
First quarter has gone pretty well. We were aware of the build up towards the tariffs and we had prepared everything on the ground to deal with it. And actually we have done very well in the first quarter of FY26. But the current signals are quite volatile and we don't want to take any knee-jerk reaction with respect to pricing because the claims are at a bloated level. And we'll wait out August to end to see what finally develops. To finally administer the price that we think we should go with. So that's on the price. On the sourcing and because the U.S. share to our company sales is just about 2% or a little more than that, it's not a deal breaker for us to approach this in any knee-jerk fashion. We can just wait it out and calmly do that. As far as supply chain is concerned, the international business is becoming, jewellery business is becoming bigger and bigger for us. With our recent entry into the GCC in a bigger way through the new investment, the GCC business itself of jewellery will be very large soon. And that combined with the U.S. could top 6% or thereabouts of the company sales. And by itself, it merits independent of tariff advantages. It merits thinking about global supply chains in those parts of the world. And that's something that we are starting to think about and explore. But no concrete plan to share at the moment.
Siddhant Dand · Goodwill
I had a question regarding TEAL. Could you speak more on the numbers, the scalability, the sustainability of this quarter's numbers and the semiconductor business that we are doing?
Yes, so Siddhant, hi. There are three parts to the TEAL business. One part is the manufacturing services business where traditionally our customers have been aerospace customers from outside India and that sector is starting to improve. Our ability to move up the value chain from parts to minor subassemblies has been successful over the last few years. And we're seeing more and more traction. For example, if you were to take a company like Raytheon or a Pratt. Our ability to move sideways into other parts of Raytheon, other parts of Pratt is giving us annuity businesses. And that business is actually an annuity business. And once you strike a deal after a year or a year and a half of preparation, it's for many years. So that is a sustainable business. And we certainly expect to continue growing in the manufacturing services side. The second part is the automation solutions, which has got two parts. One is the traditional automation where it's a bespoke automation and assembly and testing solutions, which we've been very good at both in India and outside India. And that continues to – it's not that – it's not an annuity business. It's not that predictable. And it – but because of a decent mix between automotive, CPG, medical and some other categories, we have built a certain predictability and also the international versus domestic certain predictability about and there's a lot of EV-related work that we are doing in that. The third is for a single large global customer, which uses the capabilities of the same automation solutions business, which is now – and it's also related to the recent acquisition of a company called Justech that TEAL did some time back. And that's a third stream, which is more like a product business, but it uses the capabilities of the same automation services solutions division. So these are the three parts. And because they are very different from each other, in a way it also gives a good balancing mix to the predictable growth. We are very, very excited about the overall growth prospects of TEAL because the, for example Raytheon, we keep getting the best supplier award from Raytheon and that's given to the top 10 or 15 suppliers out of 12,000-plus suppliers globally, and TEAL is one of them. Therefore, the reputation that TEAL has today for creating very high-end technology solutions and very reliable solutions is very strong. So, from a sales growth point of view, we are very, very bullish. From a profitability, I wouldn't comment about the future.
Harit Kapoor · Investec
So, my first question was on the watches business again. So, even adjusting for this INR 50 crores, this 18.5% EBIT margin is extremely strong and way ahead of our expected guidance. So, just for the full year, is it likely to be a higher profitability year for watches or is there something sustainably that you think is going to be at the higher end now? That's my first question.
I think we are hopeful that mid-teen kind of number we should be able to deliver full year basis for FY '26. Yes.
Harit Kapoor · Investec
And just to follow up on this, analog seems to be doing significantly better. There's not much of talk of wearables in your release now. Is there a shift in the market or a mean diversion that's happened towards analog, if you could just give some sense on that?
Yes. This is Suparna here. So analog for us is doing really well, as you saw the numbers. Smart watches have gone through a big correction. I think a lot of it happened last year in calendar year '24. It continues to be somewhat subdued right now. A lot of correction in terms of oversupply, undercutting of price, etcetera. We were relatively better off. So we are at this point maintaining and gaining market share and coming out with newer products which should do well. But yes, the very overheated kind of growth that we have seen in smartwatches in calendar years '21, '22 and '23, that phase is over now.
Harit Kapoor · Investec
And the last question was on Tanishq. Over the last two quarters, you've seen a slower rate of store expansion, even this quarter, three stores. So, just wanted to get a sense, is this year going to be slightly more back-ended? How do we see that?
No, plans are broadly similar. It's probably just timing issues of execution. Quarter one, I agree with you, was slower than our own plans. How much of it we'll catch up in quarter two, I can't say. But our plans for the year are pretty strong. And usually, we try to squeeze in many more stores just before festive season, which happens to be earlier this year in October. So, I'm hopeful that quarter two, we should be able to catch up on some of the... (C. K. Venkataraman:) Also, I'm not sure whether the square feet thing is that apparent. No? For example, just to illustrate, like, I was personally there in the small town, Brahmapur in Odisha, where the existing Tanishq store was totally reimagined to a much, much bigger size. So therefore, the strategic importance of that may be missed in the number. (Ajoy Chawla:) Yes. So just to get to that point, for example, in quarter one, while we opened three new stores, all of them bigger size than earlier, we also relocated or expanded significantly about eight other stores, which are -- which is part of the retail transformation program that's going on. All of that is really helping on increasing the total retail capacity in terms of square feet.
Amit Sachdeva · UBS
Sir, my question is on the studded growth, which is 11%, and I think, it's been going on in the same range for the last two quarters, three quarters. But surprisingly, CaratLane continues to grow strongly in 30s, and you also make a point that premium solitaires, they are up 60%. And you also sort of given a mix of revenue in the slide, which is studded versus gold, and that includes CaratLane and the numbers seems to be unchanged. But then does it signal that in the studded segment, the ticket sizes now are coming down? And is there something consumer trends are telling us at Tanishq or Zoya level or at least the premium formats level, while the market is going towards more affordable diamond jewellery? How should we see the trend? And could you also update what is the diamond overall market would be in India level studded market and how the market growth is happening?
Okay. Many questions rolled in one. But at a broad level, Amit, studded market, our best estimate, and this could vary based on whom you ask the question to, is around INR 75,000 crores, give or take here and there. Last year, I think we did around in Tanishq, Mia, Zoya. And if I were to add CaratLane put together maybe around INR 17,000 crores, INR18,000 crores. Okay, and maybe something like that, but you can pick the figures there. Now, is the market growing? The studded market is certainly growing overall. In fact, even if you listen to what De Beers and etcetera, commentary, India is probably one of the few markets which is growing in studded and we are now the second largest market for diamonds in the world. Now, the question that you're asking is, is there a studded, we've been seeing a slightly dichotomous behaviour in the last two levels. One is between solitaires and non-solitaires. We saw the correction happen in solitaires, particularly in the higher karatage, because of the price uncertainties that the media narrative also played out. That has now stabilized because now that is in the base, okay? And therefore, last year, if I were to look at it, the studded jewellery grew better than solitaires. Now, that bit has got equalized, if you ask me. Now, the second piece is on price. The other dichotomous behaviour that we saw was on price band. In fact, I was mentioning this even earlier that in this quarter as well as last year, we actually saw better buyer growth in studded than in gold. So, actually, number of customers is there. Now, the value piece, as you rightly pointed out, is it that people are migrating to a lower price band? I am not so sure about that. I think a lot more newer customers are coming in, who come in at the lower price band, given India's demography, given a lot of young working women, people wanting every day. So, I think it is certainly growing. The higher value segment, if I look at it, is doing pretty well. If I look at the INR5 lakh plus, for example, in Tanishq as well as in Zoya, we are seeing fairly good growth. In the sub INR2 lakhs, if I look at Tanishq, Mia, CaratLane put together, the portfolio is growing fairly well. Some gives or takes may be happening between the three, let us say, formats and three retail chains or the three brands. I do not see that as a big issue. Value growth will come, I believe, if we are able to excite the customer, even in the INR 2 lakh to INR 8 lakh space, where I think a large number of customers today would be ready to buy. So, I think a lot of it is to do with market development and that is an opportunity and an agenda for us.
Percy Panthaki · IIFL Securities
Secondly, this 11% studded growth, is that number including CaratLane? Including CaratLane, I mean, as a company as a whole, what is your studded growth? I don't know if that 11% materially changes or maybe just goes up to 12%, 13% or something like that. But my question on this was that -- see, we have traditionally always held that we are not too focused on the studded percentage, because of gold inflation; gold jewellery is selling more and that percentage has naturally come down. But we have a good, absolute growth in studded. Now, that is not true for this quarter. So, absolute growth itself is on the lower side. So, what is driving this absolute growth to be low? And is it just a quarterly one-off? Or is there some pressure, which can continue for a longer period of time?
Percy, you are very right on that first point that you mentioned. We were always focused on the studded growth. And whatever is the consequent share, because of higher gold thing, it's fine. So, 11% is certainly low. The point that I was making and Ashok was also adding to, is still valid. That whatever is the incremental extra growth that you add with CaratLane, we have to add. And we will just add that and share with you. That may still not be, that may not top 15%, for example, which is lower than our normal growth rate, which is low. So, nobody is... We will just confirm on that in a while. But the overall growth for Tanishq, is lower than what we would like, without doubt. It is 16% including CaratLane, by the way. But the target for Tanishq is certainly more than 11% and we are behind on that. But I guess the overall consumption situation today is an issue. And this is playing in that consumption constraint situation. So, obviously, we have to innovate more in the competitive intensities also. And everybody is chasing diamond jewellery, I am sure, for profit reasons and all that. These are general statements without any, connecting the dots. But they are real. Even if I cannot connect the dots, they are real because customers are exposed to constraints on the pocket, I mean, the money. And, of course, choices from the competition side. So, obviously, the company and the Tanishq brand need to innovate more, execute better to grow. So, that is the only comment I would make on this.
Nihal Mahesh Jham · HSBC Securities
I had a follow-up question on LGDs, more on the studded part. If I look at the last four quarters, even adjusting this quarter, say for the number you've given, including CaratLane, just looking at Tanishq, there has been a moderation in the studded growth. So, I just wanted to understand the reasons as per you, is it maybe a case of LGDs which you said is not the case? Or is it more a case that as diamond prices have not seen any appreciation or they have been contracting over the last 24 months, that that is in a way making people not being very keen in terms of investing in diamond or investing in diamond pieces?
See, last year because I think I've shared this before, but I'll repeat here. Last year, the studded growth in value was impacted because of solitaires underperforming, in fact, showing a decline, especially the one karat plus and one and a half, two karat plus. If I go back a few years, that was a very small part or almost a negligible part of our business, we, in fact, grew the solitaire business 3x in a few years, in two or three years. And on that base, there was a correction because there was an issue of what will the price of that solitaire be going forward, thanks to the strong media narrative. And therefore, amongst a certain cohort of people, including some of us here around this table and yourselves on the call, there is this overriding feeling that, oh, now diamond does not hold value. But that is a very, very small part of the total diamond buying segment in India. And it was largely on the solitaire. So, if I exclude the solitaires, actually, diamond business grew pretty well in-line with what you would expect last year. If I include solitaires, the higher value, yes, to that extent, it has played a certain role. This year, in the first quarter, therefore, I am delinking last year's and this year's. This year, now, that base effect of the solitaire is no longer there. This year, it is a different reason. As we explained earlier and Venkat also talked about the fact that there is a consumption-related challenge. And we have to figure out how to innovate and excite the customer, especially in the INR 1 lakh plus, INR 2 lakh plus segment and in a way, gain share of wallet.
Nihal Mahesh Jham · HSBC Securities
Just one last question on the margin bit to Ashok, that this quarter, despite, say, started going lower, a very high share of gold coin sales, as you highlighted, our margins are flat in jewellery, excluding the one-off benefits. So, maybe operating leverage or some optimization of advertising, given the Festival of Diamonds spends happens in Q2. If you could just give some highlights?
Gold coin share has remained elevated for some time. So, it's not that extraordinary in this quarter vis-à-vis the earlier quarters. We explained that 50 basis point is, of course, one-off and it will reverse itself. And the rest is all very, very small, small stock inventory changes, which has come. And nothing worth making them a definite reason for this quarter. So, that is where I will leave this. And that is why, when the question was that, should we start thinking about higher level of band, I still don't want to guide you to that. It is still 11% to 11.5% and which side of the band, given the market reality, volatility, and gold prices, we will ultimately land up. We don't know. And at the same time, to one question which came that, Ajoy clarified, the growth and market share remains our top priority. So, some tactical investment, if required, we will not constrain ourselves that we are going to breach 11% and whatever is the right for the business will be done.
Abhijeet Kundu · Antique Stock Broking
It was just more of an accounting question. In both jewellery, there is a 50 bps impact of hedging. And in watches, there is a sort of a 400 bps benefit of revaluation of -- of (inventory) revaluation, which you said will reverse in the forthcoming quarters. So, from a modelling angle, when we have to take recurring PAT or recurring EBIT, if this is reversing, then we can consider it in the recurring PAT rate. I mean recurring PAT and recurring EBIT rate, both this one-time items?
If they are going to reverse in quarter-2 and quarter-3, it will be opposite impact. And that is where someone asked about watch. After adjusting, it is becoming 18%, but this 4% also will further reverse. So, 18% has to come down and that is where I guided mid-teen is much more reasonable expectation from watch division. It could be 16%, I don't know. It could be 14%, but mid-teen ballpark is fine. And for the same thing, jewellery. Sometimes it may happen that there are so many things, very difficult to predict particularly on some of these aspects, that while this is reversing and something else is kind of offsetting that. So, we will discuss more if that happens. But yes, these things would reverse. Jewellery certainly in quarter 2 and quarter 3 would reverse. Watches would take the same time period. So, next two quarters will have these opposite direction movement on EBIT margin pressure. And that you must account for your account keeping or bookkeeping, whatever you want to do that.