Karnataka 'political risk' retired after Q1FY26.
- Fy26 aum growth distribution — answer hedged.
- Fy26 aum growth deceleration — answer hedged.
On FY26 AUM, where will growth be easier vs harder to find? On NIM, what is the reported NIM for the current quarter and why should we not expect NIM expansion with falling rates - what's different this time? Also is the cost-of-funds guidance conservative?
Anup: At an aggregate level we remain very small - 2.14% market share of India's total credit (~7-7.5% on count share), and ex-B2B (54%+) every business has small share, so growth will come across all businesses, helped by new secured businesses and very robust Gold Loan growth. On NIM, moderation in select unsecured businesses has compressed NIM, but ~10-15 bps cost-of-funds benefit should keep NIM stable; if cost of funds falls more, there could be upside. Rajeev: Conservative by maybe 5-7 bps - upside is more like 10-15 going to 20-25 bps, not 30-40, because we lock in long-term liabilities (liquidity risk is not a risk we take), so pass-through takes longer. Bigger drag is the moderated fee/charge growth (13-15% vs prior 24-25%) - that is a larger headwind than cost of funds. Sandeep: ~75% of borrowings are fixed-rate (FDs, NCDs) and reprice slowly; bank money repriced faster. NCD rates have softened 40-45 bps and CP rates 70-80 bps in the last 30 days. We don't report a NIM number, but Q4 NIM is below the FY25 full-year NIM, so 'stable in FY26' implies some catch-up next year.
Why a 24-25% AUM growth for FY26 vs the long-term 25%+ guidance you sounded confident on last quarter? Which segments are pulling back? Does the 1.85-1.95% credit cost imply the stage 2 build-up is concerning?
Anup: We design to grow 2x nominal GDP and 2x industry. We are a credit business - the FY25 miss was on credit cost and that is the priority. We need to (a) get the credit cost corridor back, (b) use this period to drive the FinAI transformation for OPEX to NTI improvement, and then (c) restart growth. Once credit and OPEX are sharper, we will take growth as it comes. 25% remains a rightful long-term sustainable growth rate. Rajeev (lighter point): on a Rs 420,000 crore base, 25% growth means Rs 105,000 crore net addition - that would be a first. The book has to fully churn; by Q3-Q4 of FY26 credit cost should be reasonably lower than pre-COVID, absent macro shocks. The previously captive two/three-wheeler book (used to be 5% of book / 12-14% of credit cost) is winding down - down to ~Rs 10,000 cr from Rs 17,000 cr a year ago, heading to Rs 4,500 cr by March '26 - and the new open-architecture two-wheeler business has half the loss rate (50% scooters in mix). Three PL has come back to pre-COVID 6-7% (had peaked at 12%); in rural it is at 2.5-3%.
On the ECL model refresh - what history is used and why the additional provision? Is high-credit-cost FY21/FY22 entering the window and could next year see releases? Also confirm if quarterly write-off is around Rs 1,700 crore. And commentary on rural B2C growth - is the 20-25% FY26 outlook still intact?
Sandeep: Stage 1 uses 12-month historical and 12-month forward-looking; the last three quarters of elevated credit cost feed into the model and result in higher stage 1 provisioning, with bias more on stage 1 than stage 2. If FY26 improves, releases are possible in future. Stage 2/3 use 5-7-8 year horizon for PD/LGD/EAD; stage 2 coverage moved up marginally (recent digitization), stage 3 holds well as only LGD can move and longer-term LGD averages have not deteriorated. Aggregate standardized provision is up from 69 bps to 77 bps, majority in stage 1. The technically correct write-off number for the quarter is Rs 2,100 crore, not Rs 1,700 crore. Sandeep added that rural B2C did not contribute to the Rs 359 crore - that catch-up was already taken in FY24. Anup: Rural B2C grew at 36% two years ago, was throttled to 5%, and has now started growing back nicely; 3-MOB / 6-MOB vintages improving, debt management capability strengthened, supported by a rock-solid rural B2B - so we are confident rural B2C grows from here. Rajeev: Across the firm we watch 3-MOB / 6-MOB / 9-MOB / 12-MOB closely (since Aug/Sep tightening) - in some cases vintages are now lower than pre-COVID, so as the book churns (BFL standalone churns in 18-19 months) losses should be significantly lower in current fiscal.
The asset-quality panels still show amber and stage 2/3 inching up - what gives confidence FY26 will be much better, beyond a possible ECL release? Also, with BHFL drag at consol level, can NIMs really stay flat YoY? And what rate-cut path does the cost-of-funds benefit assume?
Sandeep: I did not say ECL release is a given - the model has to show that during FY26. Rajeev: The book churns in 18-19 months and we are 7-8 months into tightening. 3/6/9-MOB vintages are tracking - in some cases - lower than pre-COVID. We don't have 12-MOB yet (action started in August). It is a structurally better, lower-leverage customer mix being acquired, which is what gives confidence; growth could be higher once credit is back in corridor but credit is the priority right now. Sandeep: Q4 already came at 1.97% (ex one-time ECL) vs FY25 full year at 2.07% - the trend has started turning. The pain has been concentrated in unsecured (mainly PL) and the wind-down captive auto book; used-car has had ~1/3 of the business let go. On NIM: 10-15 bps cost-of-fund benefit is enough to maintain NIM; bias is to the upside given recent money-market improvement. Rajeev: Our planning cycle since February has baked in three front-loaded rate cuts till June; if there are more, upside is possible.
Long-term consol guidance has AUM, profit growth, GNPA and NNPA unchanged but ROA and ROE corridors widened/lowered - how do you reconcile that, even adjusting for BHFL dilution? And any plans to deploy the excess capital?
Sandeep: Current-year ROA range is 4.5-4.6%, so the new 4.3-4.7% corridor covers it. On ROE, we have been sitting on surplus capital for over a year (Rs 10,000 cr QIP, ~Rs 6,500 cr from BHFL listing) which puts pressure on ROE; medium-term guidance is 19-21%, with FY26 specifically 19-20%. Rajeev: Over the next two years we still have to bring our BHFL stake down to 75% per regulation - that frees up more capital. If you adjust for excess capital and its interest cost, the underlying ROE is roughly 70-90 bps higher (so ~19.7-19.8% vs reported 19.1%). On excess capital deployment: bias remains organic (we like to build businesses). M&A is explored but we typically conclude we can build in 3 years, so no inorganic action absent an event - we will announce if and when. Today's dividend (and special interim dividend from BHFL exceptional gain) is one way to improve ROE.
FY26 credit cost guidance of 1.85-1.95% looks higher than originally guided for FY25 and higher than pre-COVID despite mortgages now being a meaningful part of mix - what is structurally driving this? Has portfolio mix shifted away from low-credit-cost mortgages?
Rajeev: Mix has not actually moved - mortgages were 31% five years ago and are 31.1% today on a consolidated basis; all lines have compounded together. Anup: We are not fully out of the woods on certain businesses (urban PL) - early vintages look fine but the legacy portfolio has to mature; H2FY26 should print better than the full-year average. Segment mix can shift only ~1-1.5% sideways per LRS. The captive two/three-wheeler book continues to wind down (it has been an elevated credit-cost portfolio) and that is accretive to credit cost. Rajeev: That book used to be 5% of AUM and 12-14% of credit costs; it is down to ~Rs 10,000 cr from Rs 17,000 cr a year ago, heading to Rs 4,500 cr by March '26.